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believe it or not (read the description, kthxbai) by Colliequest believe it or not (read the description, kthxbai) by Colliequest
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Description edited once again as of March 1st 2016

Stamp isn't about me, at the time I made this I was angry because some idiots were sending my mother death threats and making all kinds of unfair assumptions about her simply based on her beliefs. My own beliefs are different--while I believe homosexuality to be a sin I am in support of gay marriage because people don't need my approval to live their own lives. No one is obligated to like my stance or my mother's stance, or anyone's stance, or even respect it--but death threats are uncalled for.

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Please read the comments before commenting, you guys keep repeating yourselves an it's a little irritating
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:iconcrystallinevulpine:
crystallinevulpine Featured By Owner 5 days ago
Yeah, it does.
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CyndaquilFire35 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes it does. :]
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One-Swood-Grommet Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah it does. End of story. Its like saying that its ok to be against inter-racial marriage.  
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well someone's stance on interracial marriage doesn't determine their entire character, either. It makes them wrong, but not necessarily a bad person. That said, not everyone may necessarily measure "good" or "bad" in others by the same stick. People are complex and have a lot of reasons for believing what they do, I tend to believe someone can have a wrong belief without it making them "bad". Especially having grown up around people with plenty of wrong beliefs, but eh.
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One-Swood-Grommet Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm sorry but if you are against the rights of another group of person, you are bad. I don't care how nice you act. There is 0 logical reason to because against marriage between any consenting adults.
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LunaMatsu Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Student Digital Artist
THANK YOU
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One-Swood-Grommet Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Glad you agree!
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CyndaquilFire35 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's just like denying us any other right. It does make you a bad person. It's just like racism or misogyny.
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't believe any of those things decide a person's entire character. :shrug: Makes them wrong, but bad, eh....it's one of many factors.
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CyndaquilFire35 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
?
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SeventhClass Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2016
Nah, it doesn't make them a terrible person; But it makes them anti-progressive, socially.
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Feralicity Featured By Owner Edited Mar 1, 2016   Digital Artist
It doesn't make you a terrible person, necessarily. It's just sad that you'd deny love simply because a book tells you it's a sin. Why don't people ban haircuts, women talking in church, wearing the clothes that we do today, among many other things that the Bible says are a sin? There are far worse sins than homosexuality, so why is homosexuality portrayed to be the worst? I'm happy that they (and myself) can finally get married.

I don't hate you for your belief, I just hate your belief.
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Edited Mar 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You have a fair approach about it :) (Though I will mention that the stamp doesn't really reflect me as I support LGBT rights in spite of beliefs. Just have friends and family who don't and got kinda mad when people were sending them death threats and stuff. But to some just having the beliefs in itself is just as bad, so eh.)

For your questions on other sins mentioned in scripture, that is a bit complicated to answer. There are factions that consider those specific things sins and may enforce them in their own groups and churches. Others (myself included) feel that context (context based on the surrounding passage, chapter, book, historical context, etc) erases them as issues.
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Feralicity Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016   Digital Artist
Thank you. I make it a point not to judge people, as that isn't my job. Although I should also point out that I was using 'you' simply to talk about people who generally don't support gay marriage but aren't necessarily hateful about it. I wasn't meaning you specifically.

It's common for people to pick and choose their sins, is what i was trying to say. Homosexuality just seems to be shunned so easily because a lot of people don't understand it, and humans are terrified of not knowing things. It's like death. A lot of us are terrified of the unknown, so, to some, religion makes them feel like they know what is beyond. In reality; you can't tell.

I'm not homosexual myself (but I'm not heterosexual) but I'm in a relationship with a girl and I can confirm that we are no different from a heterosexual couple. We're just the same sex.
She comes from a Christian family, and she hasn't told her parents because she's scared of how they'll react. Their religion preaches about love and acceptance, yet a lot of people will disown their sons and daughters just because they're homosexual. When your own child is scared to tell you that they're dating the same sex, you know you're doing something wrong.

That is disgusting.

But on the topic of same-sex marriage, I, personally, have no interest in getting married. I see no point in it, but that's just me. I generally don't support marriage at all. I find it stupid, but that doesn't mean that It shouldn't happen. It's just my opinion, like the people who don't think that homosexuals should get married (As long as they're not outright hateful about it).

I'm not religious. Most people in Scotland aren't. I come from a family of dominantly Protestant and Catholic, but my families religious side has faded out over the generations. We're capable of thinking for ourselves, so we don't need our parents pressuring us to read a bible simply because they believe it's true. We all have a right to choose our own paths.
I do believe in something, but I'm not sure what.
I don't try to explain the unknown, and I just live my life, I don't worry about what will happen when i die. 

So when it comes to homosexuality, I'M choosing to believe it's OK. A book does not dictate my belief, and if a so-called loving God believes that love is a sin simply because it's not between a man and a woman, then He is not a God to me.

 


 
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah, okay.

Yeah, I am pretty disappointed with how a lot of Christians respond to it. It's sad.
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Feralicity Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016   Digital Artist
^^ Have a good day/afternoon/evening/night! 
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Same for you ^^
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chickunplz Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2016
What ACommissionReviewer said.
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tultsi93 Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
I faved this stamp! Not because I oppose gay weddings: it's because I have big sister and mother who oppose gay weddings, and they're still sweet, caring and loving! :love:
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2016
Well being against something that has nothing wrong with it makes you more of an idiot than a terrible person. Those who actively try and make it so gay people can't marry are the ones who are terrible people and idiots at the same time. I read your description and I saw you mention you are not out to bag gay marriage. Hopefully you aren't because yeah you can disagree with something but that doesn't mean you should actively change the thing you disagree with especially if there is really nothing wrong with it. It's tolerance and the ability to say "Yeah I don't like the idea of gay marriage or homosexuality but I'm not for banning either". It's good to have tolerance. Does that mean I respect you? Nope. But at least you have the ability to tolerate something.
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LunaMatsu Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2016  Student Digital Artist
it does.C:
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IShipRUSSINKA Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2016
How? c:
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:iconlunamatsu:
LunaMatsu Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Gay marriage is just as normal as straight marriage, so why hate it?
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IShipRUSSINKA Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2016
Ah, but there's a difference between hating something and just not supporting it. Gay marriage is legal everywhere now so what their to support anyway? Well it just means that we wont wear rainbows and march and celebrate with you, its just not our thing. I don't mind lgbt, its just not something I enjoy bringing up or getting into. Not because I hate it, just because its how I feel :c
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S-ixer Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2016
supporting lgbt rights doesn't mean that u constantly go around wearing rainbows and all that crap lol it just means that u support the fact that people can have different sexual preferences to you, so what's the point of not supporting it??? 
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IShipRUSSINKA Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2016
You see, there is a difference for me. I get very annoyed by the fact when people say things like "but not supporting lgbt is leik sayin that we don desrve to breth air like u het cis scumbagsz!!!!11!!" First of all, I never once said that LGBT people can't do whatever Straight people can do. It just means that I don't approve of the whole LGBT thing just because I don't AND I don't have to. And I can still be friends with people who are LGBT :) I was born with this, like the LGBT community says everyone is born how they are. I can't help but feel this way. :'( (Cough cough although Straight people would be considered "homophobic" and get dissed if they did what LGBT are allowed to do :( )
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nuclear-doq Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not against it, but this is true.
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secretsighs Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2016
It doesn't make you an absolutely terrible person. It really doesn't. I don't agree with that view, necessarily, but people will always disagree, so. You're not horrible for simply holding a belief.
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iced-greentea Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Chrissi-queen Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
i support gay marriage, yes, and i myself am dating a female right now, but being against gay marriage doesnt make you fucking satan. being homophobic is pretty annoying though :^)
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's fair.
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HDLMatchette Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2015  Student Digital Artist
no it doesn't but it still makes you very ignorant.
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Toxic-Gengar Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
yes it does
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:iconlunamatsu:
LunaMatsu Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Exactly!
Gays deserve to get married.
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JoEttaShinigami Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
ur dumb
*farts on your dumb nerd opinion*
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MollySuccubus Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Professional Filmographer
I'm not one to be rude, but I disagree, yes you don't have to agree with it but you don't have to straight out say your 100% against it that seems kind of ignorant in my opinion, The bible has been rewritten thousands of times so if you are one to go by the bible it's been changed so many times.
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Edited Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually, I am in support of gay marriage. I tried to make this clear in the description. Simply because I disagree with homosexuality, because yes I do see it as a sin, doesn't mean I'm going to force everyone else to follow my viewpoints.
This stamp was made more because I have friends and family who are 100% against gay marriage, and although we disagree on that point, it's rather annoying that that fact alone makes them the worst of humanity in some people's eyes. Point is, you can't judge someone you don't know.

We have thousands of manuscripts of the Bible. What's astounding is that with the large amount of them, the vast majority only have minor differences. They are 95-99% alike. The Biblical manuscripts agree with each other more than the manuscripts for Homer's Illiad and Odysee--and there are only a few hundred manuscripts of them.
It's been a while since I researched this subject, though. Neither do I claim to be a Bible scholar.
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MollySuccubus Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Professional Filmographer
I see where you're coming from and everything, I'm not religious but half my family are christians, but they do not follow by the bible as they know it's been rewritten so many times. But I'm not trying to be rude or judging you harshly I'm just stating what I believe/think.
I just feel that most/half christians are hypocrites they supposedly don't judge or hate anyone yet they go protest at Gay pride events and judge ans shun anyone who is or supports LGBT. I'm not saying every christian is like this but from what I see and hear there are lots of them which isn't right. Sorry if my last comment seemed a bit rude.
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're fine, I don't clobber people for having different views.
Christianity is very large and diverse, there are many individuals and many different viewpoints on many different topics.
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ErinTheEevee Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Another stamp where people can't read a description...
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Edited Nov 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This was in reply to hidden comment, not the comment above them
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TwistedOmniscience Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
It's like the Amish.
You have respect for them, even if you don't want to take part in it.
I'm actually a gay Christain, I just believe in the new testament, not the old one which says a man shall not lay with another man. Besides, I'm pretty sure it wasn't referring to being gay.
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thelovelybunnyx3 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
Well, I would have to disagree with this, only because the reason for being against something like this is pure ignorance.
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KawaiiDesuChan12 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
It does. It makes u a homophobic piece of shit. :^)
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Ihatepeoplesofuckoff Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
go back to tumblr and take all your SJW bullshit with you.
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AlinaKitti Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
Thank you~ I will put this on my profile no matter how many pro gay people decide to bully me. I can't get over the fact that people think this. Everybody has something they hate. I hate what I want to. So do you. You can't be a hypocrite and say you can hate me but I can't hate you. x.x
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Colliequest Featured By Owner May 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, I would hope it's clear that I'm not promoting hate, especially not in regards to people. I have friends who are gay. Since I consider them friends, I do not hate them. (Nor do I hate anybody else, whether they are friends or not.) I don't agree with everything they do, but that doesn't mean I hate them. They don't agree with everything I do, either. Some of them don't agree with my religion. Yet we still get along. We simply respect each other.
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