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believe it or not (read the description, kthxbai) by Colliequest believe it or not (read the description, kthxbai) by Colliequest
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New and significantly shortened description as of June 1st 2014--because people are either too lazy or too stupid to read the description and end leaving leaving the same comments over and over.

Let's get this straight, people: this stamp ain't about me. Yes, I'm a Christian, and yes I "disagree" with homosexuality. But I'm also a libertarian, and I'm libertarian precisely because I don't believe it's my place to run other people's lives. So, no, I myself am not out to ban gay marriage, as you are all so quick to assume. :roll:

This stamp's message is simple: people can hold controversial opinions without being a jackass about it. They can have controversial, even wrong, opinions and still behave very much like decent human beings--heck, some of them even have friends who are gay. A person's character is determined more than anything else by their actions and treatment of others. Just because someone has an opinion you hate doesn't make them scum of the earth.
Case in point: I know people who hold opinions like "the races should be separate", "women are not permitted to be pastors", "mixed marriage is wrong", that I still count as decent human beings. Yes, I may strongly dislike their views, but I find their overall behavior commendable.

TL;DR: beating people over the head with a chair for having different views is not the answr. Grow the flip up.


There, now stop spamming my inbox with the same bull that a hundred other people posted months ago.
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Gothic-Bunny-13 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
yes it does
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JoEttaShinigami Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
ur dumb
*farts on your dumb nerd opinion*
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MollyTheSuccubus Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not one to be rude, but I disagree, yes you don't have to agree with it but you don't have to straight out say your 100% against it that seems kind of ignorant in my opinion, The bible has been rewritten thousands of times so if you are one to go by the bible it's been changed so many times.
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Edited Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually, I am in support of gay marriage. I tried to make this clear in the description. Simply because I disagree with homosexuality, because yes I do see it as a sin, doesn't mean I'm going to force everyone else to follow my viewpoints.
This stamp was made more because I have friends and family who are 100% against gay marriage, and although we disagree on that point, it's rather annoying that that fact alone makes them the worst of humanity in some people's eyes. Point is, you can't judge someone you don't know.

We have thousands of manuscripts of the Bible. What's astounding is that with the large amount of them, the vast majority only have minor differences. They are 95-99% alike. The Biblical manuscripts agree with each other more than the manuscripts for Homer's Illiad and Odysee--and there are only a few hundred manuscripts of them.
It's been a while since I researched this subject, though. Neither do I claim to be a Bible scholar.
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MollyTheSuccubus Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I see where you're coming from and everything, I'm not religious but half my family are christians, but they do not follow by the bible as they know it's been rewritten so many times. But I'm not trying to be rude or judging you harshly I'm just stating what I believe/think.
I just feel that most/half christians are hypocrites they supposedly don't judge or hate anyone yet they go protest at Gay pride events and judge ans shun anyone who is or supports LGBT. I'm not saying every christian is like this but from what I see and hear there are lots of them which isn't right. Sorry if my last comment seemed a bit rude.
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're fine, I don't clobber people for having different views.
Christianity is very large and diverse, there are many individuals and many different viewpoints on many different topics.
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ErinTheEevee Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Another stamp where people can't read a description...
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Edited Nov 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This was in reply to hidden comment, not the comment above them
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MistyStarBright Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
It's like the Amish.
You have respect for them, even if you don't want to take part in it.
I'm actually a gay Christain, I just believe in the new testament, not the old one which says a man shall not lay with another man. Besides, I'm pretty sure it wasn't referring to being gay.
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thelovelybunnyx3 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
Well, I would have to disagree with this, only because the reason for being against something like this is pure ignorance.
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KawaiiDesuChan12 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
It does. It makes u a homophobic piece of shit. :^)
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Ihatepeoplesofuckoff Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
go back to tumblr and take all your SJW bullshit with you.
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AlinaKitti Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
Thank you~ I will put this on my profile no matter how many pro gay people decide to bully me. I can't get over the fact that people think this. Everybody has something they hate. I hate what I want to. So do you. You can't be a hypocrite and say you can hate me but I can't hate you. x.x
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Colliequest Featured By Owner May 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, I would hope it's clear that I'm not promoting hate, especially not in regards to people. I have friends who are gay. Since I consider them friends, I do not hate them. (Nor do I hate anybody else, whether they are friends or not.) I don't agree with everything they do, but that doesn't mean I hate them. They don't agree with everything I do, either. Some of them don't agree with my religion. Yet we still get along. We simply respect each other.
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AlinaKitti Featured By Owner May 21, 2014
Yeah. I'm not implying that you were. But I don't like double standards. Like haters are automatically bad. People who hate haters are haters as well. :P
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Colliequest Featured By Owner May 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well yes, I'm not in favor of thought police either. What someone does with their own life is up to them, and neither I nor anyone else can interfere unless they are actually hurting somebody.
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your-first-boyfriend Featured By Owner May 17, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
my problem really is this:

jesus apparently told people to treat others the way you'd like to be treated. so would Christians like it if they weren't allowed to marry just because another dominant religion found their matrimony to be "sinful"? i doubt it. :B 
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CartoonFan3 Featured By Owner May 13, 2014
I know how you feel. I'm a gay Christian and once on YouTube I saw a bunch of people taking part in Christian bashing and argued against stereotyping, and I got called a homophobe.
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SNlCKERS Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It really does tho.
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Skarkat Featured By Owner May 4, 2014
I agree.
Everyone goes on and on about how everyone should have "Equal rights".
But when a Christian preaches against anything someone likes, then they go and take away their right to believe in God and His Word.

That is so equal. :sarcasm:
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Dandin-of-Redwall Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
agreed
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Apple-Rose Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry, but yes it does. Thinking some people deserve less rights makes you a terrible person. Would you say "Just because someone doesn't support black rights doesn't make them a terrible person"?
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KawaiiDesuChan12 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
omfg
this comment is awesome
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Apple-Rose Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lily Thank you  I try.
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SuperSaiyanBunny Featured By Owner May 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Less rights? She stated that regardless of her belief, gays have the right to marry. From a standpoint of someone against gay marriage with your perspective, you would be a bad person! See how that works? Our beliefs are a matter of interpretation, therefore they are opinion, not truth, and neither side of the spectrum determines how good of a person you are. 
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Apple-Rose Featured By Owner May 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
But some people actually work to TAKE AWAY those rights. They protest laws protecting homosexual's right to marriage and say that their love is fake or wrong or disgusting or unnatural. 
Why would I be a bad person? A person with my perspective would think themselves a bad person. My perspective isn't that anyone with a different opinion is bad, it's just that if that opinion goes against equality and equal rights for all.
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This stamp isn't about me; it never was. I guess most people didn't read the description, but in said description I clearly stated that I am not opposed to the legalization of gay marriage. (I recently completely changed the description to make this even more clear.)
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SuperSaiyanBunny Featured By Owner May 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, someone who takes away someone else's rights has some pretty messed up morals, but you said the author of this stamp was a bad person and I was addressing the fact that she did NOT state she would take away a gay's rights just because of her opinion on the matter! 
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, actually. Because a false or simply wrong opinion doesn't define someone's entire character.
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Apple-Rose Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Depends on what that opinion is. If someone loves avocados (I hate them), of course they are not a terrible person just because they have a different opinion than me. But if a person is against equality and freedom of love, and against basic human rights for all, then yeah they are a bad person.
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know people who have opinions that we differ greatly on, some pretty majorly. Opinions that do involve rights. I know people who are against mixed marriage, and who seriously believe that the races should be separate and on "their own continents". In my religion and denomination, some believe that women shouldn't be ordained as ministers or be allowed to teach men.
These are opinions I wholeheartedly disagree with, yet several of the people who hold these opinions I have respect for and am glad to know and have in my life. Because I know these people well, and I know what their overall character is like. Even if they hold some opinions I honestly hate.
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NimbleFlourish Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014
It doesn't make you loving either.
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Charchap Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2014
It makes you a person with low inelegance though
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SuperSaiyanBunny Featured By Owner May 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Opinions do not make someone unintellegent. 
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Charchap Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
Intelligence can influence opinions though 
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SuperSaiyanBunny Featured By Owner May 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, but intelligence varies by person. What one person considers idiotic, another considers genius (and vice versa). 
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Charchap Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
Fair point. I personally find inequality idiotic . I dunno about you.
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SuperSaiyanBunny Featured By Owner May 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't think of inequality as "idiotic," I just don't agree with it. 
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Charchap Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
Then why are you defending something you don't agree with
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SuperSaiyanBunny Featured By Owner May 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Because everyone has a right to believe what they believe without getting labeled as "stupid" or and "idiot" for upholding that belief. 
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tinayan Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Student General Artist
your arguement is invalid because you can pretty much say the same thing about anyone. "just because hitler killed a shitton of people doesn't make him a terrible person... we didn't know him PERSONALLY so we can't judge him and his character, he just had a different belief than us"

well yeah except those "different beliefs" happen to effect other people in negative ways. so no, why should i be tolerant and respectful of something that will negatively affect much of my friends and family?
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Charchap Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
Lol good point
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Personally, I think the government should stay the freck out of it. I wish other Christians saw it that way, but unfortunately many don't. I grew up in a family that was and still is very anti-gay marriage, as are many of my friends and associates. Still, since I know them personally I know for a fact that they are decent people. Heck, they're great people.


There is a point where someone does something so wrong that you can't allow him to go without harsh punishment. This is why laws against murder, rape, etc exist. Better to kill a murderer than let him live just for him to go and kill more people. Even then, well, think about it...those are the people that need to be reached the most. That doesn't mean that they don't pay for their crimes, however.

Thing is, the vast majority of Christians are law-abiding citizens that may or may not hold controversial opinions. WBC, believe it or not, is very much in the minority. Most Christians are as pissed off by them as anybody else. Neither are most Christians in favor of killing homosexuals, or anything so drastic. I don't think I know any that are.
In fact, I think you'll find that most Christians, even if they are for government involvement, actually have a pretty tame attitude about it. At my church, when we've talked about it during morning classes, we're told the best response to homosexual people is to tell them that it's not our place to judge. 
Don't think the typical conservative views on gay marriage are comparable to Hitler. :shrug: Hey, look, I'm familiar with the guy. I had to research him as part of my study of WWII and I read several chapters of his book. (Sheesh, is that guy long-winded, especially when he goes on one of his racist tangents.)
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tinayan Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Student General Artist
"the government should stay out of it" yes my whole point is that the government should stay out of telling people who they can or can't marry. in that sense we are on the same side. 
but the thing is you can't be anti-gay marriage without wanting to affect the government in some way. for example, either you vote for a bill and/or a politician that is for marriage equality, vote against it, or you just not vote. from what you said, if the government should stay out of it, then we should all vote for marriage equality and everyone can marry who they want. 

i don't care if you believe that gay marriage is gross/bad/etc. we can all think or believe what we like. but when you use that belief to shame and condemn others, and more importantly vote for legislation that will actually affect those people, then i have a problem.

sure, i can respect a person but i have no obligation to respect their belief.
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's pretty much what I think. IMO, the DOMA is unConstitutional, so I was glad when it was struck down. Had to hold my tongue when hearing relatives lament about it.
Personally? My view is that gay marriage is immoral. But, it's not my place to govern the lives of others, especially when they do not share my beliefs at all. If I claim to be for freedom of the individual from government control, why then turn around and have the government control others? (Thus began my journey from neocon to libertarian.)

"sure, i can respect a person but i have no obligation to respect their belief."
:thumbsup: This is my basic message in this stamp: hate the opinion, not the opinion holder

As an aside note, I know very few Christians (and none personally, so far as I'm aware) who are for shaming homosexuals. In fact some of us have actual friends who are gay.
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tinayan Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Student General Artist
okay great i guess we have come to a sort of terms then. :) you are not as bad as most of the anti gay marriage people out there.
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katrinahood Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Do you know what makes you a terrible person? When you force somebody to not marry someone of the same sex.
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